Yesterday on KUOW, Jeremy Rifkin, who is promoting a new book, was asked by host Steve Scher about our research showing that "green" schools in Washington state don't pay for themselves and don't save energy.
Rifkin, without skipping a beat or looking at the research, answered confidently, "he doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm going to be very, very simple with you on this. If that's the case, then how is Germany doing this?" This section begins at 29:40 in the interview.