Seattle Bans Plastic Grocery Bags. Does the City Care if it Succeeds or Fails?

December 19, 2011

Today, the Seattle City Council voted unanimously to ban plastic grocery bags and impose a 5 cent fee on paper bags. The goal is to "reduce plastic litter and protect Puget Sound marine life."

Will it make a difference? Probably not and there are tradeoffs.

For example, paper bags use four times a much energy to produce as plastic bags. The amount of energy, and related carbon emissions, used to create grocery bags, therefore, is likely to climb.

It is doubtful that plastic bags have the impact on marine life that is claimed. The example provided by advocates, of a Puget Sound gray whale found dead with plastic bags in its stomach, generally omits the fact that the bags were less than 1 percent of the stomach contents and that the bags probably didn't cause the death.

Additionally, Oregon State University researchers note that "Recent research by scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution found that the amount of plastic, at least in the Atlantic Ocean, hasn’t increased since the mid-1980s – despite greater production and consumption of materials made from plastic."

So, what is the balance between these tradeoffs? How will we know if the ban is doing more harm or more good?

We have asked the City of Seattle Office of Sustainability to provide:

  • Any analysis of the environmental costs and benefits of the proposed ban (E.G. the reduction in plastic trash vs. the increase in energy use by switching to paper bags)
  • Since we get what we measure, any metrics the City will use to determine the success or failure of the ban.

My concern is that the City Council voted for this out of a desire to appear green rather than considering the environmental costs and benefits of the policy with a clear idea of what "success" looks like.

This has been the pattern with other "green" policies in Seattle, including the "Car-Free Days" (where the City never attempted to quantify the impact), the purchase of biofuels by the City (which was more expensive and created more environmental impact), and building the City Hall to "green" building standards (which resulted in the building using more energy than the previous building).

We'll share whatever we receive from the City.

Comments

Plastic Bag Ban

I won't hold my breath while you await metrics from the city. You won't get them. The environuts are in full control. They can't stand being exposed for the frauds they are. The city council wants to be viewed as being as green as it gets. They could care less if they just look absurd. I will believe they really care about plastic in the environment when they decide to ban disposable diapers. You talk about polluting the ground water and clogging the landfills. Cloth grocery bags. Cloth diapers. I have seen dirty, stained, grocery bags only slightly cleaner than dirty stained diapers. And, the people plopping them on the check-out conveyor at the supermarket are not concerned in the least about those of us who would prefer a nice clean plastic bag. And where does the City Council get off mandating a 5 cent fee for paper bags? It is so ironic that Nordstrom, who has long packaged their sales in paper bags FREE OF CHARGE, will now have to charge consumers a nickel or be in violation of the city ordinance. I sometimes feel like I have fallen down the rabbit hole and have found myself in Wonderland. What's next? The Queen of Hearts in charge of the bag police? A big white rabbit in charge of overtime parking? Unbelievable!

re: Plastic Bag Ban

It amazes me how emotional people can get over something as absurd as a plastic bag.

Pure and simple, plastic bags are a small step in making our world a better place. It's simpleminded thinking that if we continue to use plastics in this manner we are leaving a planet in a worse condition than when we got here.

Whether one sees it as "environutty" thinking it is more nutty to think that the thousands of plastic bags used each day in all cities across (just our) nation (USA) won't add up to a problem is just plain nutty. Think about the math for a second, 1000 bags times 1000 cities with 100,000 people times 365 days a year = 36,500,000,000,000. Now multiply that over just one generation adds another zero. That's a lot of bags and a lot of profit....I guess that's the benefit.

You win Wes.

Red herring argument

Comparing the energy production of plastic bags vs. paper bags is the incorrect comparison, a red herring.

The correct comparison is to compare the environmental impact of disposable plastic (AND paper bags, for that matter) vs. re-usable tote bags (which aren't even mentioned here).

Re-usable tote bags are widely available for less than a dollar now, hardly onerous to anyone. Consequently, it really seems strange for libertarians to keep harping on the plastic bag bans.

We survived the horrors of grocery shopping for decades without plastic bags - I think our civilization will be OK in this Brave New World.

Data Please

Your argument is that the city should force people into a particular behavior and you are surprised that those who believe in personal freedom are skeptical? It is not for you to decide what is "onerous."

Where bans have been enacted, people have not switched to reusable bags. If you have data showing that people switch to reusable bags instead of choosing paper, I would be interested to see it. That, however, has not been the experience. If it was easy to switch, more people would already be doing it.

Pleasing Data

Whereas your argument is that corporations should dictate a particular behavior (using plastic bags)? And it is up to you to decide what is "onerous."

Those who believe in personal freedom and market driven economy should see the economic advantage of banning plastic bags at grocery stores. First off, it's not a grocery store's market to provide bags. Second, it's a job creator. New businesses can start making and selling all types of bags at the door of all grocery stores finally realizing it's hidden economic potential. Because....It would be easy to switch if people had economic choices!!!!!

Jobs, jobs, jobs!

Actually, you miss a great jobs opportunity. Why stop at banning some types of bags? We should ban all types of bags. This would require lots of grocery carriers to be hired, carrying your milk, bread, meat and other goods to your car or home. Further, we could require each carrier to carry only one item per hand (this would certainly be justified by Labor & Industries concerns). We could prevent customers from carrying anything at all -- after all, they do not have the training as a government-licensed grocery carrier. This would certainly increase "freedom" since customers are now free from the need to carry their groceries. And, of course, think of the jobs!

It is interesting that you think personal freedom means government dictating what people can and can't buy, deciding what is onerous for them. Strange that you think a "market driven" economy is best served by politicians telling stores what their customers want and don't want. If that is your understanding of freedom and the free market, it is no wonder you are so hostile to those concepts.